One idea I wanted to discuss

[Nezhul]

So I'v had this idea for some time now. But even tho I'm busy as hell, I'm not working on the prototype because I'm not so sure weather it's really that good or not.

So I'v wanted to write a kind of a program to create video teases. The idea is you grab a porn video (preferably long and solo, but that's a matter of taste) and write a script for it that in a simplest way contains a number of episodes. Episode has a specified piece of video associated with it (or several pieces), a subtitle and a button.
And so the main idea is that the end product looks like a nyx flash tease but with the video instead of pictures. The main thing here being that if you are asked to edge, you won't be staring at a picture, rather at a video piece that is most appropriate, and upon completing your requirement you press a button and skip to another task.

Idea vs a plain video with subtitle.
On one hand you could just go and write subtitle for some hot video. The flaw of this is that you can't create more complex things, like a game of chance. Also imagine a subtitle asks you to edge but than changes to "rest" before you achieve your goal. Pretty damn annoying that would be.

Idea vs TeaseMe program.
There's this program on this forum which is great and all. Why not use it? Weeel, first of all I feel that full screen video with subtitle will just work better. Second - I don't really find the scripting language of a program handy. It can not loop the fragment of a video, as far as I know (but that's avoidable). The biggest issue - it will require you to cut the video down to bits, whyile my idea is about showing the fragment of a whole video by skipping through it to a certain frame.

So I'd like to hear thoughts, if there's any. It still doesn't mean I'll write it thought, but If anyone interested I can let you write it, just ask me for details.

[tom13]

I really like the idea of getting video into the teases. I would personally enjoy it as much or more than the static pictures. I understand where you are coming from on the full video file and the program finding the frame marker for your story...but would that program be too heavy for this site, and would it be usable for the average Joe like me that doesn't understand machine language? If the program were relatively simple and easy to use for the average tease author, I wouldn't mind keeping it simple and ripping small parts of the video with an editor and inserting them in order to get branching storylines with video without it getting over my head programming-wise.

But, thats just my opinion. I'll leave the heavy lifting of these programs to you guys who know what you're doing. But I like the idea, can't wait to see where this goes!

[Nezhul]

Heavy? the program would weight less than 1mb. It's basically just a tweaked player. The most weight are the videos that you'll have to download yourself.

As for the script I will (if I will ever get to writing the thing) try to make it as simple and understandable as possible (without the loss of functionality). No editor at first though - you'll have to type the script by hand.

However I'm still concerned weather it will worth the effort.

[supermokkori]

The idea has a lot of merit... question then becomes, do you have the time to make such a program?

I mean, are you doing it so when the video loads up, it only loads a certain portion of the video, or the whole video? I do like the idea of trying to make it "interactive", but man - sounds like a ton of work.

FYI, one of the best teases to use video is Tanqueray's "My Sexy Flatmates" (how it didn't win TOTM is beyond me).

http://www.milovana.com/webteases/showt ... p?id=15776

Nezhul, is Tanqueray's tease with video something of the same idea you had, but obviously making it a bit more interactive and having the ability to "clip" only parts of the video instead of showing the whole video?

[Nezhul]

weeeel I really did not look into it very much, but I don't see the problem. It will be a simple media player, right, and it will just skip to some points the same way you do when you rewind the video to the middle by clicking at the progress line, and then play it only to the set time.

I didn't work at the script, but I can hazard a guess it will look something like that eventually:

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[name = block1vid: "path_to_your_file", 00:05:15-00:06:25text: some textbutton: Buttonname, block2button: Buttonname2, block3delay: 1min, block4]

where [] mark the boundaries of the block, and then the contents in between are analyzed line after line and you are showed something according to those. Then the program basically keeep on repeating the video fragment until it recieves an input from button or delay timer reaches 0, and after that it searches for the other block name and loads it.

that said, I really didn't look much into how video is played, so maybe instead of timings there will be frames, or there will be milliseconds or whatnot.

[tevesh]

The way I see what you are wanting to do is merge the TeaseMe program with the Cock Hero Randomizer, removing the randomization, and with the SX Beat Player, using text instead of beats or both possibly.
It shouldn't be that hard to merge these programs assuming the two creators don't have any issue with this. And of course I say this not having ever written anything in XML, but having modified the XML scripts used in both these programs, and so not really understanding how difficult it would be to do.

Just my 2 cents. I will go back to being quiet now.

Thanks and have a nice day.

[Nezhul]

Basically what I want is a Teaseme program with more easy script and video pieces instead of pictures. That said, it will support variables, randomization and maybe even conditions.

[knarf]

Wouldn't it be better to extend TeaseMe to allow for playing parts of videos instead? Most of the functionality is already there.

One big problem with projects of this kind is that the development usually stops after a while (often before the program is completely usable). Pretty soon the content written for that particular program is unusable. (Think CyberMistress for example.)

[Nezhul]

TeaseMe is not mine, and even if I was given a source code, it could be much easier still to write it myself. I have a vast experience in working with other people's code, basically all I do the last year is this. And I know that most of the times you spend way more time in crawling through a code than you would actually spend writing the same thing from scratch.

Also I don't really like the syntax of teaseMe - it's not good to write something by hand. And it basically mimics nyx in functionality, with it's flaws and stuff. The program is great, but I believe leaving it as a program for converting teases is the best way.

[d3vi0n]

I don't wanna defend TeaseMe. If you don't like it, go for your own idea and let the community be part of it. Although i think TeaseMe isn't so far away from it, even if it has terrible syntax ;) But even with that... everybody is invited to make the program (and syntax) better. The source code is open and linked on the first post (since day 1). Everybody can change and enhance it. Thats the way Takenaga came in or Philo took over to create a android app and xml-editor. Some of the ideas about videos in this thread already Takenaga and i talked about for TeaseMe...

If you make your own program, fine. I'd love to try it out and play with it. Every contribution is a step forward for the community. Just consider, what knarf said. Everybody tends to make "his own thing" instead of concentrate the creativity and experience in one tool. Thats part of the reason there are so many (dead) cybermistress projects out there.

[Nezhul]

look, I'm not offending you or your program, ok?
It's just that contributing to a not-documented (and probably poorly commented, althought I didn't look at the code, but that's the case of 99.9(9)% of homebrew code) takes a lot of time and effort which I don't have. It actually takes MORE than designing the same on your own.
Moreover, if there's already Takenaga, you, and I would stick in too, that would take some effort to even come to some consensus. Or else we would be re-writing each others work indefinitely, and breaking things the other one created just because there's some hidden dependensies.
I'm not ready to do that kind of work now. I'm not even sure if I get the time to write my OWN, not to mention modifying someone else's.

Now. Yes, I don't like TeaseMe scripting language. XML is a great thing, but any code with lots of <>?/* shift-signs is bound to be confusing, and it's not comfortable to write on. Your program scripting language is not meant to be written on by a simple user. You have the editor now and that's ok, but with every added functionality it will have to be updated too.
Moreover, RIGHT NOW I don't see the functionality of TeaseMe I look for. Yes, it may come to that, but in what time? I don't really believe it will get there soon. That said - feel free to use ANY of my ideas, because if TeaseMe grows in functionality it's for the best. But right now it's not exactly the thing.

Functionality I look up to:
-playing a fragment of a whole video fullscreen with overlay text and control elements.
- Repeating the fragment indefinitely while the command to change page is not thrown in.
- If multiple fragments are set for a page - playing one after another instead of repeating.
- Changing page on timer, button action, video fragment ending.
- Changing pages without stopping timer or video.
- Random choice in set range OR among set values of: text, timer value, multiple video fragments, destination pages.
- Variables and simple math to change them.
- Conditions
- Saving data between sessions.

And let's face it - right now TeaseMe doesn't have most of it, and the time it will have all that functionality is nowhere near.

I don't get why did you get so worked up.

[d3vi0n]

Relax! I didn't feel offended by your posts and i wasn't upset. It's all fine. You asked for opinions and I just wanted to share my viewpoint. I prefer cooperation instead of our forces be divided over various projects. No harm intended, no harm done. Good luck to your project! Hope it gets realized!

[Nezhul]

I'v thought a lot about it, Looked what TeaseMe can already do (BTW it can play a piece of full video already) and decided to re-work basic concept.

Right now I am thinking of creating "Denial Mistress 2" that will not only decide on when you are going to cum, but will provide dayly teasing sessions based on a video libriary you create. I plan on working out fully customizable content so you can add kinks of your own to the program and define rules how and when they will be presented. You will be able to create your own mistress of your dreams with a lot of options starting from average denial period ansd incrementing rules, finishing with probability of her throwing in every task based on her mood that will be deduced from your actions (and what affects her mood is defined by you too).
The program itself would look like a video playthrough with subtitles that will be randomized every time and be generated on the fly for you right now, so no two sessions will be the same. Some scenes may enter repeating mode such as when you are asked to edge, but I'm not definite about that.

Now here's a list of FEATURES I thought about, and I encourage you to post your criticizm, concerns or things you would like to see, or if you don't understand something and want to clarify, because it will be easier to make those changes now.

Mistress Customization:
- Each mistress has a mood gradation, and you will decide what and how (and how much) will affect it. For example some misress may like an edge without command, and some may not. Mood is a global thing and affects session contents as well as denial time. For example if you screw up a lot a mistress may start throwing in more CBT tasks, which she doesnt do at all when she's happy. Mood is a number from 0 to 100.
- Each mistress has common denial timeframe as well as a modifyer and incrementation options. She will decide a number of days based on her timeframe and based on her mood and your modifyer may make you wait longer or less time.
- A mistress has Mood Levels which you can create and define yourself. She can have one level, meaning you can do whatever you want and it will all stay the same. Or she can have many. Mood levels are represented by borders of numbers between 0 and 100. If a mistress's mood is in that frame at the start of the session, she will adopt the parrern associated with that mood level. Mood levels can overlap. If that happens than if her mood meets criteria for more than one level she will choos a level randomly.
- A mistress has a set of pictures which you choose for her opening and info pages.
- A mistress has a video libriary associated with her which you create (see below).
- A mistress has a list of task types for each mood level with % of the current type rolling. For example if she's Moody it's CBT, Palming, Anal play for you. If she's OK with you it's stroking, edging, Palming and anal play without CBT. And if you did good and she's glad with you, it's Stroking, Edge holding and more edges.

Mistress Flexibility.
All in all settings should be as vast as to allow:
- A mistress can use chastity always, sometimes or never. She can be set to unlock you everyday, sometimes or even never (you define all that).
- A mistress can play with you each day or she can have free days with no teasing.
- A mistress can deny you, make you cum after each session, make you ruin after each session, or even make ruin and/or cum multiple times each day.
- She can be set to like and dislike different things.

Video Libriary Features.
- You can create your own video libriaries that will later be associated with mistress.
- Upon adding a vide you may put it in multiple of your libriaries at the same time.
- You can simply add a video or define it better and set which parts of it are OK for edging play and which are not, so you are not asked to edge on some dull scene.

Tasks Features.
You can create your own tasks. The task will contain
- a number of text lines to choose randomly from,
- an optional beats sound to be run while the task is active (can be random range),
- task length (can be random in a range) and what happens when the length is reached,
- task requirements (like POT task can obviously be run only after orgasm. Or CUM task can be run only when denial days are over).

That's about it now. Still thinking it through.

[computergeek]

I am not a programer but a scripter (subtle differences in style of programming) however from what I am understanding you would only need to write a module that could then be embedded into any other program with a compatible language.

What you are looking for is a routine to expand upon the HTML autoplay directive to include a specific start and stop time. (HTML that is if it were to be embedded in Nyx or other Flash programs, you get the idea.) All you need to do is write the subroutine to load a video and parse X amount of data to Y amount of data. As video is compressed I am not certain you can set specific time codes, but rather you might have to measure by kilobytes.

The question would be if you were willing to share such a subroutine with the community or if you wanted to go on to write an entire scripting language for everything else so you remain the sole proprietor or the code. Other wise if you did share it then Nyx and Teasme and the rest could implement it.

[alchemi183]

Nezhul, I like the idea and think it could lead to great things. :) Whatever you end up making, I hope I can run it on my Mac.