UK Thought crime

[diddums]

Anyone who likes sex in the UK needs to be aware of Part 6 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2007, currently before Parliament.
It reads:
PART 6
CRIMINAL LAW
Pornography etc.
64 Possession of extreme pornographic images
(1) It is an offence for a person to be in possession of an extreme pornographic image.
(2) An “extreme pornographic image” is an image which is both—
(a) pornographic, and
(b) an extreme image.
(3) An image is “pornographic” if it appears to have been produced solely or principally for the purpose of sexual arousal.
....
Obviously, there is a great deal more, and you can get the whole thing from
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 0.i-v.html
You will want to know that it defines "extreme" as life-threatening, or likely to cause serious injury, or involving animals, or corpses. Also that this is *not* in relation to images of children which are rightly illegal already. Also, the images must appear to be real.
HOWEVER, preamble aside, the important point is this. It criminalises sexual arousal as such. It will become an offence to own things intended to arosue sexually, but not things which are equally extreme, but intended to inform (TV news), sell (advertising), excite (video games), entertain (horror movies) or be worshipped (crucifix). A state of mind will be a criminal offence, a thought crime as described in '1984'.
What is defined "extreme" could be changed by a future Parliament. If we want to retain freedom of *private sexual thought/feeling*, which harms no-one, the time to oppose is NOW. Write to your MP via
http://www.theyworkforyou.com/

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See also
http://www.backlash-uk.org.uk/index.html

[Binary]

Uhh, looking at the definition of extreme, this isn't totally bad IMO. Infact I can agree with it going through...

And its not outlawing 'thaught crime' anymore than outlawing child porn, and I seriously doubt anyone is against enforcing that.

[dannywanker]

Uhh, looking at the definition of extreme, this isn't totally bad IMO. Infact I can agree with it going through...

And its not outlawing 'thaught crime' anymore than outlawing child porn, and I seriously doubt anyone is against enforcing that.

Binary...I am not sure how you can outlaw the fantesies from ones mind.Can you?
Unless you can control the minds of the people...all you could do is set-up rules which say..you are allowed to think and masturbate about,but you are not allowed to put it in practice..
Like the GTA3 game..I can room around and punch people just for fun..I can steal cars and get away with it.However,it is still in my mind.The rules are not for the mind,are for society,Binary...I'm not sure you understand me.
D.

[ghazken]

Anyone who likes sex in the UK needs to be aware of Part 6 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2007, currently before Parliament.
It reads:
PART 6
CRIMINAL LAW
/quote]

I expect nothing less from the english red coats..next time they would make it a crime to go to the bathroom..
http://www.esnips.com/doc/eaa452db-5db2 ... nkeeDoodle
Yankee Doodle went to town,
Riding as a pony
Stuck a feather in his dick
And called it macaroni
Yankee Doodle keep it up
Yankee Doodle dandy
Read the teases with one hand
And with the girls be handy...

Carefull there dude, in some parts of the US it's technically illegal to recieve a consentual blowjob from another adult. Our side of the pond is still one of the most sexually repressed parts of the civilized world.

[dannywanker]

Anyone who likes sex in the UK needs to be aware of Part 6 of the Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill 2007, currently before Parliament.
It reads:
PART 6
CRIMINAL LAW
/quote]

I expect nothing less from the english red coats..next time they would make it a crime to go to the bathroom..
http://www.esnips.com/doc/eaa452db-5db2 ... nkeeDoodle
Yankee Doodle went to town,
Riding as a pony
Stuck a feather in his dick
And called it macaroni
Yankee Doodle keep it up
Yankee Doodle dandy
Read the teases with one hand
And with the girls be handy...

Carefull there dude, in some parts of the US it's technically illegal to recieve a consentual blowjob from another adult. Our side of the pond is still one of the most sexually repressed parts of the civilized world.

lol..that's why the 98% sexporn sites are from US?..the US invented the internet and most of it is in english.So much for the ,,repressed,, indeed.It's like the abolition time when you can't get a beer,because it's prohibitted ..yet,the US consumed more whisky then ever before.Why is that?..Because they made it illegal,that's why..same with sex.
Do you know how the internet originated?..because we were scared of the russians..so we devised a plan to put multiple servers in place,so if they take out the command center,there will be many left..however,the genious was the guy who set up the html codes.
D.

[diddums]

The definition of "extreme" can be changed easily by a future Parliament. As it is, "serious injury" could mean psychological as well as physical harm. Thus, a spanking- or orgasm denial come to that- could be said to have a risk of causing emotional trauma, and become criminal. There is simply no way of knowing how the new Law will be used. But one thing is sure: it will make sexual arousal itself a criminal offence for the first time.

[dannywanker]

The definition of "extreme" can be changed easily by a future Parliament. As it is, "serious injury" could mean psychological as well as physical harm. Thus, a spanking- or orgasm denial come to that- could be said to have a risk of causing emotional trauma, and become criminal. There is simply no way of knowing how the new Law will be used. But one thing is sure: it will make sexual arousal itself a criminal offence for the first time.

Good..I'm looking forward and anticipate the new law where will be criminal in the UK to go to the bathroom and take a shit.
I expect nothing less from the english lords(snobs)...good luck to you.

Maybe..(I hope) will be a law which makes it criminal to breathe.How low can we get?..yes,this law should make it criminal to be alive.
That's a good law,and that;s why americans hate their cousins english.(the UK )
Maybe your next law would be it's criminal for me to be alive..who knows?
However...we invented the internet..so your ability to speak right now it's based on our wisdom,not yours.keep your rules,and shove them up your ass,I say..
D.

[slavechylde]

dannywanker,

First, as an American who served his country in the military and is very proud of his nation (though not necessarily all of its actions), I can tell you that not even close to most Americans hate the British.

Secondly, while Americans did, indeed, develop the technology on which the Internet is based, Americans did NOT invent the web. The Web was invented in Switzerland, at CERN, by a British engineer named Tim Berners-Lee (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Berners-Lee), who developed HTML for the purpose of more easily transferring academic documents between labs and universities.

Third, I would like to see the numbers to back up the assertion that most sex sites originate in the US. Certainly, a large number do; however, I think we've got some pretty stiff competition from the Russians and several European countries.

Fourth, the US - particularly in the South - have some very draconian laws with regard to sex. In many states, it is illegal to engage in oral or anal sex...for heterosexuals as well as homosexuals. Although these laws are usually ignored, the authorities drag out these laws when it suits them and indict people on charges related to them. If the Religious Right had their way, there would be many, many more laws that restrict sexual activity.

Fifth (and I speak solely for myself, as a member, not in anyway on behalf of the site or its owners or its team) while you may actually mean what you're saying, or you may intend it to be humorous, these slams and digs come across as very hateful - all on a site which purpose is to allow us to let down our guard a little and enjoy the fantasies in a place whether others with a similar interest can do the same. There are plenty of political sites on which to spew Anti-Anything venom. However, it seems really out of place here and serves no purpose other than to make you look like an Ugly American in the truest sense of the word.

JMHO...take it or leave it.

[alpahde5]

while you may actually mean what you're saying, or you may intend it to be humorous, these slams and digs come across as very hateful

it seems really out of place here and serves no purpose other than to make you look like an Ugly American in the truest sense of the word.

JMHO...take it or leave it.

Love this guy

i must admit it does help to build upon a stereotype of an American which i must admit are not particularly popular here lol. I still love you guys those especially those from Vermont... No thats a joke not from Vermont.

But any way, i dont think this legislation is going to make through parliament certainly not with this in it lol, i believe the title is 'immigration', wtf has that got to do with porn, but saying that it is also likely that our current right wing wolves in sheep clothing may pass it.
it doesn't however prohibit the viewing of pornographic images and secondly it does say extreme, which is likely to be a strengthening of child pornography laws, which i think we would all agree is 100% correct and should no doubt be strengthened.

[dannywanker]

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Secondly, while Americans did, indeed, develop the technology on which the Internet is based, Americans did NOT invent the web

hmm..as i recall it was a NASA technology to build multiple nods so we could safely be bombed by russians,but not distroyed..since the servers would be spread all over.It don't matter whom invented the high protocol text..is is a FACT that HTML was used in the 60th among other systems and was regarded as safe as comunications between computers.Americans DID invent the web,because without their release of the HTML codes no computer could have comunicate with other,unless other codes.But they did released the codes.
America,,built the web,,,not you..America did it.That;s why the web is in english.
The fact that you CAN read what I say is based on the american brains..due to the NASA split-over.YOu HAVE no IDEA what they have in their sleeves,like anti-gravitational systems and totally invisible crafts(based on strong-anti-gravitational power-sources)
So...the web is in english,right?..if it was swiss..that would be in german,right?

Ponder about it...you want on the web?..learn american.The WEB can't be shut down,even if 1 millions of russian missiles strike..and this was the whole point of the web,the web was not created for me to talk to you,dear..(as initial aim..it progressed after that)
ok?
But since I talk to you..I send you my love..
D.

[alpahde5]

i think you have to differentiate between the web and internet, the html coding was created by CERN which is a consortium of European best minds. The us did link the first computers together that is certainly true, and it was created for weapons use and to allow communication between u.s military computers, in essence the internet.

however the internet or WWW that we all know and love today can be accredited by cern and the British engineer who wrote HTML, the first computer language and allowed the internet revolution, for the most part, to explode. clearly he has been rewarded with his recent knighting.

as for the internet being English well we can blow that idea well out the water, certainly it is true that English is common language on the internet, i fail to see how you can define some thing so universal and diverse with countless languages as being a particular nations language.

[slavechylde]

,
Secondly, while Americans did, indeed, develop the technology on which the Internet is based, Americans did NOT invent the web

hmm..as i recall it was a NASA technology to build multiple nods so we could safely be bombed by russians,but not distroyed..since the servers would be spread all over.It don't matter whom invented the high protocol text..is is a FACT that HTML was used in the 60th among other systems and was regarded as safe as comunications between computers.Americans DID invent the web,because without their release of the HTML codes no computer could have comunicate with other,unless other codes.But they did released the codes.
America,,built the web,,,not you..America did it.That;s why the web is in english.
The fact that you CAN read what I say is based on the american brains..due to the NASA split-over.YOu HAVE no IDEA what they have in their sleeves,like anti-gravitational systems and totally invisible crafts(based on strong-anti-gravitational power-sources)
So...the web is in english,right?..if it was swiss..that would be in german,right?

Ponder about it...you want on the web?..learn american.The WEB can't be shut down,even if 1 millions of russian missiles strike..and this was the whole point of the web,the web was not created for me to talk to you,dear..(as initial aim..it progressed after that)
ok?
But since I talk to you..I send you my love..
D.

You know just enough to be dangerous.

The Internet and the Web are NOT the same thing...any more than your web browser and the computer operating system that runs your computer are the same thing. The Internet is the infrastructure, the framework, on which various applications are used to move data from one place to another.

You are correct that the Internet originated within the Department of Defense framework; however, it was actually at various universities doing research work for the DoD that it was used, as well as various defense contractor labs and DoD labs.

In order to move data from place to place, they used tools such as 'gopher', 'telnet', and 'ftp'. Gopher and telnet are pretty much gone (as far as I know), but ftp (file transfer protocol) is still the basic underlying protocol for transferring files.

All of this occurred from the late 1970s to the early 1990s.

In 1993, Tim Berners-Lee invented HTML to provide a tool to more easily move research and academic papers from one place to another. There was no HTML prior to that timeframe. There was no Web prior to that timeframe. Period. It wasn't until the late 1990s that the Web even came into common use.

I know all this because I have been in the industry for nearly 20 years, worked at one of the originating labs, known people who worked on the first Internet architecture, and used it for both work related and when I went for my advanced degree (for research). Besides, there are many books out there that back up what I've just said.

Why is the Web mostly in English? That's simple. English is the language of technology and engineering. However, you can find web sites in virtually every language on the planet; it is not language specific.

Oh, and the Russians aren't likely to launch any missiles any time soon.

[diddums]

Dear slavechylde: thanks for all your teases and posts on this thread!

Dear alpahda5: the Bill is very long and has a lot of other stuff in it as well as the anti- porn thought crime. It does include some provisions about immigration. And some about child porn. But it's important to realise that the categories of "extreme" porn it talks about do *not* include child porn, which is already rightly illegal. There are four categories specifically outlawed in the current Bill: material depicting death, serious injury, animal abuse or abuse of corpses. "Serious injury" is not qualified: it could mean anything including emotional trauma. Some feminists call *all* sex abusive and traumatic for women (and Harriet Harman, Labour Party Deputy Leader/ Chair, is one of them.) So there is *no way* to know whether your porn stash will potentially end you up inside for three years.
The only way to be certain is to surrender everything you own to the Police on the day the Bill is enacted into Law.
All Labour's 54 (to date) Criminal Justice Bills have been passed virtually unamended. They are always under a three-line whip in the Commons. MPs get only one choice: vote for or against the Bill in total. So they have tended to let very bad Laws like this one go through, because there are other things in the Bill they strongly agree with.
I hope you are correct that it is unlikely to become Law. But I am not optimistic. I cannot see who is going to stop it. If you oppose Part 6, write to your MP *today*. The first chance MPs will get to debate it is next week (Second reading). If you wait, it'll be too late.

[alpahde5]

all bills are long lol i don't doubt that.

What i meant was that the clauses do not relate to the title, and since criminal law is an act which is of offense to the state this legislation will have little impact upon people wishing to view pornographic material.
It looks to me to be mainly aimed at the creation of pornographic sites with ownership and other sources which own pornographic material.
I know an mp only gets one vote but that doesn't mean it's likely to be passed lol, back bencher's might oppose it, and this isn't really a controversial issue so the number of MPs actually voting on this might be low although saying that it does encompass alot to do with immigration which right now is very sensitive. hopefully the backbencher's who are not as concerned with towing the party line and more concerned with civil liberties will vote against it.

also i should note that the law lords might send it back to parliament for revisions.

Now if it was public law i might show a little concern but as it's criminal law there really isn't any danger to the average person searching for legal pornography.

Oh yes, i am a second year law student lol.