mistressamber wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 10:44 am
@seraph0x To be clear: I'm assuming asking users to enter personal information into an email and sending it to me, or entering it into a (legitimate) email timer website (which then sends it to me) is okay, under the following conditions:
- Clear consent given prior to sending
- No personal information of other people is asked (such as friends, family, ...)
- No information is published to Milovana forums
Yes, we have let such teases stand in the past so long as they don't violate any other policy. The most common reason for BM teases to get removed (other than obvious scams) is because they are too spammy, i.e. there isn't enough of a tease that someone who doesn't want to play for real can also enjoy. It's essentially just a prompt/advert for BM and not a tease.
Unfortunately, there are infinite possibilities for what a tease could be and it's impossible to write a policy that captures them all so we always reserve the right to remove any tease that we just don't feel comfortable with. The good news is that this is typically quite rare.
Edit: Additional responses below.
ostermanblue2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:17 amAssuming that's technically challenging or creates a moderation nuisance for future BM and like teases, I'd like to suggest an alternative remedy--which is that the tease include an optional "safeword" button which immediately resets the tease and also provides a link to clear the external database of their own data. The safeword button would be on by default, and someone would have to go and disable it if they preferred to play for keeps. If they tried it without the safeword and couldn't handle it, they could refresh the tease and turn the safeword back on. I have no doubts whatsoever that Mistress Amber could program all these things in her sleep if she desired to. Or they would be available to a future tease author as alternatives to spoiling the "trick" fun.
I have considered having BM-specific functionality in Eos, but there is a tremendous amount to think about. We could only truly guarantee things like the safeword button if we were holding on to the data ourselves and not sharing it with anyone, including the tease author. Holding BM information, even temporarily, is risky. It would make us more of a target for hackers. It would also require navigating some fairly complex legal issues.
Maybe some day. However, realistically, there are many, much less controversial features that are in high demand such as supporting vibrators, videos, and reusable script modules. So I will likely focus on those first.
ostermanblue2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:17 amThrough browsing teases on this site I've gotten to know my kinks better in many ways and sampled some new ones. But this is the first brand spanking new kink I have learned from this site. This is the first time I have ever experienced these feelings directly with enough punching power to understand how I'm oriented to this kink. I think some other people feel similarly. I also see that some folks really are not handling being tricked well, which is another way of learning from experiencing a new thing. I'd like to ask that you not cave to the controversy and allow us to explore this more. I don't see any harm in the additional EOS changes/limitations.
Our mission is to help folks explore
safely. If I'm uncomfortable with the risks that are being taken, I have to step in, however exciting the exploration may be.
In this case, the most significant factor was the fact that the tease exploited the trust that users have in the site and the Eos system. Of course, I would say: Please don't rely on us to protect you - no matter how good of a sandbox we build, there will be someone out there clever enough to break out of it. However, to the extent that we can, we have to uphold that trust. If we allowed teases like this, people soon would stop trusting the Eos system altogether, and teases like this would lose their effectiveness anyway. Meanwhile, that loss of trust would negatively affect many other explorations that users might engage with on the site.
ostermanblue2 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:17 amAgain thank you for being so transparent and thoughtful in your communications, and please also consider that the alternatives being recommended simply won't create the shock value needed for this kink to work.
Welcome to the frontier! This won't be the last innovation in the BM kink and there are many more waiting to be discovered. Just like a skydiver may carry a backup parachute, I predict that people will find ways to make BM content safer without taking away from the experience.