Gooning... for pleasure and science

[Caius Prepus]

First, not sure where this belong but I will take my chance with this forum as I am well known here.

I am curious about how to achieve the best experience in gooning. This is kind of a renew tantric art of pleasure through masturbation. I believe it deserve some digging to achieve the best results.

How long ? How much edging ? Breaks ? special techniques ? Multiple releases ? etc...

I think it is the community for these kind of questions. Please, I will appreciate any imputs/sharing that can contribute to a better experience for myself and others.

Thanks you for your contribution to ahem... science :)

[CremeFromwood]

For me gooning is not something i've intentionally gone for and more along the lines of just what happen when you keep stroking to what excites you for extended time.
usually away from the edge and as it goes along the amount of sensation i can take without getting closer to the edge goes up. like just throwing some numbers out there if: start at like being able to handle 60 bpm it becomes 200bpm and tighter later
just what happens when enjoying yourself.

i think i've done it more than 10 hours at some points depends on how much time i have at those points. usually a break when my dick decides to go to a hard flaccid state after 3-5 hours or so and then keep going later

as for techniques the only thing i can think of might be having the right amount of tension clench whatever in your dick/groin muscles. like if i keep my dick tense i would cum faster than relaxed but there is some amount of tension that would be capable of even more than just relaxed

as for releases my dick does stay hard for a good while after a long session where i continue depends on how abused i'd say my dick is like i should probably stop and it's usually at the end of the day anyway but of course once wasn't enough of a release

Not sure if anything i said was of any use but here you go

[Augustulus]

Hey Caius,

well, I had a similar question a couple of weeks ago. In case you haven't seen it already, the discussion is here: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=24807
Maybe these answers will help you, too .

I'm still unsure if I really reach a gooning state, but what I can recommend is to create an environment where you are not distracted by anything else so you have really only your "material" and your thoughts around you.
To answer your other questions: I guess this all depends on your arousal and is really subjective to each person. Though releases in general seem to be contra productive to me .

Augustulus

[tsyogini]

In Margo Anands "The Art of Sexual Extacy" it is stated that it should last at least an hour to get into the state of bliss. I can second that, but must admit that I very rarely achieve that. But I must also admit that all attempts were quite enjoyable, so there is no failure in this *smirk*

[Alex69]

Hey Caius, Hey people.

I've poked in a bit on the gooning scene, but it always contains very extreme (or just hardcore) porn, and lots of cum images, so I don't really like that. Let's say I'm not into that.

I was once on a... let's say, a group chat, where people were into gooning, and they used to tell me that the best way is to approach the edge, and when you're close, stop, breathe, and start again, and again, and again, trying to get closer to the release point but without actually climaxing. On the gooning communities it is kinda forbidden to cum, because, as you all know, once you cum, well, usually you lose your horniness.

However, every time I've tried it, I end up with a regular masturbation session, maybe a bit longer, sometimes several hours long, but I cannot get into "the zone" that some people talk about.

I think I take a different approach sometimes, watching porn without touching my dick, getting as aroused as I can, for a long time. And I guess that might have a name, but for me is another type of gooning. I try to get to the climax hands free but, for now, it seems impossible. Even trickier with my low sex drive.

[Sombre]

It will be great to explain what gooning is. I saw this terms a couple of time recently on internet. I didn't understand how the game is played, what are the rules, what you need to do, etc ...

Thanks.

[throwawayacct]

There aren't really rules. In simplest terms it's masturbation and edging for a long time, and "locking in" on that state. The switching your brain off can be a drug-induced condition (weed, poppers) and by locking in, it's like those times you scrolled through a tube site for hours, catching clips and gifs of everything, looking for the perfect video...

If you break it down to what it's doing to your brain, you are releasing cascade after cascade of dopamine and serotonin. I've found orgasm or denial seems to have no effect on the overall pleasure/arousal feelings, though that endorphin rush is addictive...

a really good example would be one of the guided tease/denial videos by Numberonefan.

[book_guy]

Things about gooning ...

How long? Maximum time period, it seems that it probably can be as long a period of time as you'd like. Don't break anything! As for minimum time period, you probably have to go at least a half hour or more before your "bliss state" gets really started. But maybe you'll find it quicker, or slower.

Gooning is a lot like self-hypnosis. You choose to zone out and enter "bliss state" and therefore, you do. There's a line in one or another erotic-hypnosis induction that I listened to once or twice (perhaps Isabella Valentine's "Jackpot 1"?) that says, "you can even play pretend. Pretend you're hypnotized. It's that simple." So you work the double-bind of logic in your favor -- by saying that you are in the zone, you define yourself as being within the zone; thus, you feel like you're in the zone. Get it? Some other discussion on the internet says that people gain bliss against their inhibitions by acting out the facial gestures, f.e. choosing to open their eyes in a stare and doing an "ahegao" face and deliberately drooling, these behaviors help them enter "bliss state." Can't really confirm or deny, myself, from personal experience, but it certainly stands to reason.

Also, it's not necessary to fully or permanently immerse in a "bliss state", it's instead possible to waft in and out of it as much as you want, perhaps depending on the stimuli that you're experiencing. At a particularly enjoyable scene in one of the videos you're watching, you can choose to go deeper, but if the phone rings, you can choose to slide right back out of it. As with hypnosis, you can't ever really be forced into doing something that you don't actually want to do.

I sometimes like the fem-dommes Princess Miki Aoki and Eva de Vil. They're certainly visually more appealing to me than almost any of the other ones. And as far as material goes, SOME of their videos are within my personal preference, though I have to winnow out a lot of unwanted to find the few wanted ones. You can find lots of their material on many of the streaming sites, but some of their best are pay-for-it so you'll have to pay or find a copyright-infringement version somewhere, perhaps at a free-porn torrent tracker, f.e.. Miki has a recent "Goon Hero" based on our very own Milovana Cock-hero style productions. Most of their productions are ten to fifteen minutes each. I've been thinking about putting about ten or eighteen of my favorite goon-instruction videos from those two into a single package, perhaps as a multi-file torrent for download at Empornium or perhaps as a single long video; a project I probably won't ever get around to doing.

I sometimes don't like the fem-dommes (any of them), since, for me, humiliation and being dominated aren't real turn-ons. I'm disappointed that I can't find INSTRUCTION (in gooning, or just in masturbation) that is completely devoid of abuse, humiliation, domination, cum-eating instruction. It's weird, that I can't find this very easily. I want how-to stroke instruction, without "you're a worm and you like it when I say so" attitude, because I DON'T like it when they say so. I'd like the instruction to include cum countdown, too, but that's very unlikely in a goon-instruction video, since (of course) the point is entirely NOT to cum.

There are a couple of active sub-Reddit groups, including r/clubgoon and r/gooned, but they have another caveat. Just as with the unnecessary humiliation-to-instruction relation, the internet also often insists on a similarly unnecessary transsexual-to-gooning relation. Oddly, there's just a lot of ladyboy and trans material on these subreddits, men stroking their own dicks as part of hetero goon instruction, can't figure out why. So, again, I have to winnow out a lot of the chaff to find the wheat, and the ratio is quite poor. Even some of the creators here at Milovana seem to have the odd concept, that if it's about extreme degrees of whacking off, then it's got to also be about gay whacking off i.e., the visual image of a male model and his male organ presented to a heterosexual male viewer; a stupid idea, to me, since heterosexual stimulus does not include homosexual, unless identified overtly as bisexual: can't see the relation.

Well that's Gooner IMO. Also a fan of a North London football team.

Anybody wondering where I've been lately? Well now ya know ...

[Froz3n]

I second everything that book guy said about the gooning scene. It's really weird and mostly a turn-off, but you can find some good straight material out there. Personally myself I like it neither to be too softcore, or very hardcore. Rather something in between. Recently I've almost completely cancelled out of watching real life porn and am only watching SFM, and boy is it perfect for gooning. I have more than a thousand of different loops in one folder that I let the player randomize: sometimes it's slower, or faster, sometimes it's romantic, or hardcore, and just accommodate my speed and immersion to what's being shown. Since every single scene or loop is handpicked by me I am sure that it will always be to my liking. Add a little poppers and wuolah! A perfect gooning session.

[Alex69]

I second everything that book guy said about the gooning scene. It's really weird and mostly a turn-off, but you can find some good straight material out there. Personally myself I like it neither to be too softcore, or very hardcore. Rather something in between. Recently I've almost completely cancelled out of watching real life porn and am only watching SFM, and boy is it perfect for gooning. I have more than a thousand of different loops in one folder that I let the player randomize: sometimes it's slower, or faster, sometimes it's romantic, or hardcore, and just accommodate my speed and immersion to what's being shown. Since every single scene or loop is handpicked by me I am sure that it will always be to my liking. Add a little poppers and wuolah! A perfect gooning session.

The problem with poppers is... well, I've read some issues related to the vision, so I prefer to be safe than sorry. Weed has been mentioned as well, but I think I can't metabolise THC properly because I haven't felt anything when I've used it. On my country, CBD oil is becoming popular, so maybe I could buy a bottle of CBD oil at 15% and try with that. Otherwise... It is difficult to me to reach that state of bliss and trance.

By the way, I like your avatar, a lot.
I've taken a look at SFM and.. not my cup of tea, I'm afraid.

[pbay123456789101]

PMVs/CHs and Delta 8 make a mix that I haven't ever been able to top.

[froog]

As for minimum time period, you probably have to go at least a half hour or more before your "bliss state" gets really started. But maybe you'll find it quicker, or slower.

I find that in sessions when it's really good, it starts to get really good after about 2 hours . Longest I have done is perhaps 6 hrs. I would caution that you can really overdo it, and get a sort of burnout if you do it again and again without taking time off between long session . Maybe if you are young you recover faster, but I don't think there are any free lunches. You are really milking that dopamine for hours - that's why it feels good, but it can mess you up long term if you do it too often.

other discussion on the internet says that people gain bliss against their inhibitions by acting out the facial gestures, f.e. choosing to open their eyes in a stare and doing an "ahegao" face and deliberately drooling, these behaviors help them enter "bliss state.

Wierd thing - I find that the tongue thing actually help with edging. Like sticking tongue out really hard keeps me from going over. I only recently discover just how well it works. I think there must be some sort of muscle connection.

Most of their productions are ten to fifteen minutes each. I've been thinking about putting about ten or eighteen of my favorite goon-instruction videos from those two into a single package, .... a project I probably won't ever get around to doing

If you don't do this, I would still love to know what's on that list - Out of the hundreds of "Goon" videos out there, also only found small handful I like. They can sometimes hot, and then it goes into "loser/pathetic" territory and they lost me.

It's weird, that I can't find this very easily. I want how-to stroke instruction, without "you're a worm and you like it when I say so" attitude, because I DON'T like it when they say so.

I have thought about this a lot, and I think it market forces. If you making clips for a living, you are going to make more clips of the sort that people pay most for, even if that is minority of the general population. I think it must be that people who buy the most be those who being humiliated is part of the fetish . Even if they in a minority of the population, doms will make more clips for them, as they are the ones buying. Doms don't see the people who don't buy.

I have the same taste as you, also have no interest in sissy stuff or humiliation/ "Loser/censored" stuff (no disrespect to those who do, I just don't like myself), and I have not found a goon community that isn't at least 50% of that, I would pay for something that really met my tastes, but only if can be anonymous payment which no-one does, so that sucks.

I would love it if someone managed to make a gooning cock hero as good as the best ones here. - like take Miki's goon hero idea and put it together with the best of this communities creative ideas.

I think videos like the recent Oh Gloria Pressure are good for gooning, as are most of the RLGL videos posted here.

That's enough gooning chat. Peace.

[Haxed11]

doubletime - Its the ¨pre edging¨ since to get to the edge, you really need to speed up things and double time is perfect for that.

What the f*ck did I just read. I had to login to comment on this. It sounds like you are saying you NEED to stroke fast and that you NEED speed in order to reach the edge. This is not true for anybody. You can stroke your dick as slow as humanly possible and still reach the edge. With one finger, or less, or just use your thoughts. I hope you were just trying to get some point across and dont actually think you need to stroke your dick like Sonic just to reach the edge. Sex and masturbation is not about speed and pressure. It's all in the head, speed has nothing to do with it. You do not ever need fast stimulation to reach the edge, you need arousal. And arousal can come from anything, thoughts, touch, objects, sounds, literally anything. You can have your dick teased by a feather until you cum, you do not ever "need" speed, or anything else for that matter.

It's important to point this out because that line is quite disturbing and spreading misinformation about how you need speed to reach the edge. Stroking your dick fast only desensitizes it and makes your dick tired and numb. I hope you're aware of what you wrote and that you dont actually believe it.

[Caius Prepus]

Thanks for all the imputs, this is an interresting discussion that deserves to go on I think. I am always interrested, as others I supposed, in proposed materials and practices to attain this hypothetic state of "gooning". I think we need more field work on this to refine our technique on that matter.

I went off for about 2h30 minutes the other day trying to reach something by doing a lot of edging. Did bring me a lot of pleasure/torture until I could not hold it anymore and the orgasm was really good too... but I would not say that I have reach a secondary states a described by the liberal definition of gooning. Will need to experiment more...


Urban dictonnary proposed definition:

Gooning" may be most simply defined as that state usually achieved after a prolonged edging session, when a man becomes completely hypnotized by the feeling radiating his penis. Since a gooning state can only be achieved after edging, the man's dick will have become mightily aroused at this point and every caress the male genitals are subjected to will trigger potent elation. As the man keeps edging and thus keeps experiencing intense pleasure, he enters a state of trance where his mind intimately merges with his cock : the gooning state, where he and his dick become one. To be even more accurate, when the gooning state is achieved, the man's body becomes for all intents and purposes an appendage to his erection. When this state is achieved, the male becomes freed of all social codes of conduct, and his arousal, alone, dictates his reactions. As a result, a gooned out man will become very expressive and demonstrative : he may become very vocal, while his body and face might take on undignified expressions and poses, all in response to the intensely exquisite caresses his penis is exposed to. Hence the term "goon", since at this point the man effectively looks like a silly, foolish, or eccentric person.

Gooning is not a narcissistic manifestation. Narcissism is extreme selfishness, with a grandiose view of one's own talents. Rather, gooning is closer to a meditation experience, where the mind and the body align, focused on a single thought (or feeling, in this case).

[book_guy]

I've been thinking about putting about ten or eighteen of my favorite goon-instruction videos from those two into a single package, .... a project I probably won't ever get around to doing

If you don't do this, I would still love to know what's on that list - Out of the hundreds of "Goon" videos out there, also only found small handful I like.

Short version of the story is, I don't actually keep any porn of my own, I re-download it when and if I want it. So, you can find it as effectively as I can. F.e., I have found two excellent Empornium torrents of Miki's videos, and though the total torrents' contents are huge, each packed with tons of videos, they're written up at Emp in a way that makes possible a search through them by useful tags. There's another one or two for Eva de Vil. (Perhaps the availability of these well-tagged torrents is a major factor in why I choose these particular performers in the first place!) So, I start the DL on the torrent, but eliminate from DL nearly all the files in it, and then search the Emp descriptions for what I want, re-adding just a few appropriate files (ten? five, even, is often enough) whose descriptions fit better my personal preferences. Among the files I regularly seek, are Miki's "Goon Hero", and Eva de Vil's "Keep Going." Also, just looking at the Emp screenshots, you can tell which will be psychedelic (I think one operative tag is "mindfuck" or "mindmeld"), so those are likely to have a continual goon-style of instructional overlay with repeated returns to the same base theme, without too much plot or non-goon verbal discussion, which can pull you out of state. Like, "what is she talking about, shut up, get back to the point!" is avoided more.

It's weird, that I can't find this very easily. I want how-to stroke instruction, without "you're a worm and you like it when I say so" attitude, because I DON'T like it when they say so.

I have thought about this a lot, and I think it market forces. If you making clips for a living, you are going to make more clips of the sort that people pay most for, even if that is minority of the general population. I think it must be that people who buy the most be those who being humiliated is part of the fetish . Even if they in a minority of the population, doms will make more clips for them, as they are the ones buying. Doms don't see the people who don't buy.

I have a different interpretation. I can't imagine that these women are so smart as all that. It would surprise me to hear that they've taken care to survey full market interest. They do a video, and if it does turn a profit, then they repeat. I think the performers don't actually KNOW what the larger market might be. It seems unreasonable to me, to understand that the majority of people paying for a certain type of porn have another certain preference. I believe it becomes a self-replicating phenomenon, in which the performer herself gets more interested in dominating the men who buy from her. Imagine, similarly, a stripper who turns a good profit by means of a performance of demure and classy Little Bo Peep style. She may decide to change her costume to a violent black-leather riding-crop dominatrix type not because she thinks dominatrix style will earn her more money, but because her distaste for the pathetic-loser men who are her Bo Peep clientele leads her to wish to express her distaste as part of her stripping. She wants to "defend" herself from them, perhaps lash out at them, but feels that her Bo Peep outfit makes her appeal (and feel) vulnerable. So she picks a less vulnerable female character to portray. Her overall profit may remain the same or she may even increase her profit after changing from Bo Peep to dominatrix. But the gain is not necessarily because more men prefer dominatrix, but rather because she takes greater pleasure and pride in her performance as dominatrix and therefore applies it more accurately, than she did the less inspiring Bo Peep style. In other words, it inspires the performer more, and therefore gets retained more. And therefore annoys you and me. Recent interview at (IIRC) AVN with Miki indicates similarly (presuming the interview is in any way factual, and not simply intelligently scripted with an intent to continue the fantasy), that what she WANTS to do is to dominate, and that her personal "growth" from taking over her own performance was not only financial but also emotional. She gets to be more like her real self. Generally, therefore, the act which is more pro-female gets perpetuated. My guess is, as well, that it's more difficult to perform sensual and non-aggressive leadership or instruction. Anger and domination are easy emotions for most actors, among the earliest to be attempted and mastered at an acting academy. Believable sensitivity is more difficult.