18+ porn limit

[bob555]

This is really a classic internet porn site discision. You guys really do alot of core subjects.

Why 18 in the first place? The age of concent? Not in 90% of countries. http://www.avert.org/age-of-consent.htm. In my country the age of concent is 15.

Dos anyone know why the common agelimit is 18 for porn on the internet?

Does then mean that under 18s should also be allowed to perform sexual actions.


red intentional

Yes of course - unless they live in Egypt, Gabon, Arizona or other third world =)

[janmb]

Dos anyone know why the common agelimit is 18 for porn on the internet?

Because most of it is made in the US and answers to US law? Just my best guess.

[Nezhul]

porn taught her that you don't need to have blonde hair, blue eyes, and big breasts to be loved by men. She thought it was the most wonderful thing anyone has ever said to her.

Point is, everyone like different girls. Moreover, some of my friends like girls that I find completely unattractive.
There really are not so many people who look bad no matter how they try. Naturally, if a girl looks after herself, is picky about clothes, i.e. dresses good, if she learns to use cosmetics, etc etc, then by the age of 16-18 (when her actual looks are all formed) she is able to find the mixture that makes her beautiful. I see a lot of girls with an actually good face and body, but who look unaqttractive because of what/how they wear, what their hairdo or cosmetics is.
GIRLS! Don't listen to feminists! Your main goal in life should be looking pretty to find a good husband! Don't hesitate on waisting hours goung through fascion magazines and days in shops to achieve it!

I don't think you even can, as from the wording of his post, he wasn't making a case for anything; he was just asking what other people thought.

It's not the court here, you know. It's THERE where the way the words organized may be considered rightful even if it's a complete herecy. Here... The mere asking of those questions in this topic suggests some concern of a speaker, and THAT is nonsence. Because while we talk about censure, he asks questions on vaguely related but mostly "rough" topics. His questions are hardly related to each other and the topic, except of the concept of "underage kids + sexual themes" Yet he asks them as if they ARE strongly related.

Why 18 in the first place?

Don't mind the number. The concern is censure in general, not the limit. Be it 15, 18 or 21 - i think porn shouldn't be censored by laws AT ALL. Actually I believe laws shouldn't touch morality AT ALL, not just porn. Laws should operate crimes and procedures, not morality.

[bob555]

Dos anyone know why the common agelimit is 18 for porn on the internet?

Because most of it is made in the US and answers to US law? Just my best guess.

It just dosent have anything to do with the age of consent then? Most SU stats have the consent age of 16 or 17. Only Arizona, California, North Dakota, Virginia, Wisconsin, Idaho, Oregon and Tennessee have the 18+ rule when it comes to having sex.

Something really kind of creepy - Traveling Personal from USA have the age of consent at 12 for boys... And they have alot of gender differens, common for all is that boys can have sex at a younger age then girls. Boys enter puberty at the age of around 12 or 13 where girls are as early as 10...

Sorry De-rail. Never mind that.

I think Milovana should remain open for all. The site may be about sex but not in a way that is going to speak much to a young teenager - Reading through articles with some kinky picturs? Why not just go on Redtube or any of the 100 other sides like that.

Don't mind the number. The concern is censure in general, not the limit. Be it 15, 18 or 21 - i think porn shouldn't be censored by laws AT ALL. Actually I believe laws shouldn't touch morality AT ALL, not just porn. Laws should operate crimes and procedures, not morality.

Porn is not censured by low in my country - Not since 1969.

[les]

I have been thinking.

There is substantial evidence to the contrary

(sorry, couldn't resist the temptation)

Do we allow under 18 to watch pornography
OF over 18s having sex

Does then mean that under 18s should also be allowed to perform sexual actions.

Those two aspects don't necessarily have to be related at all, but yes, I think the answer should be yes to both.

If so do we therefore allow pornography to show under 18s having sex.

Again not related, but yes, people above the sexual lower age limit should be allowed to perform in porn. In my own country that would mean anyone above 16

Or does it mean that under 18s must have sex with over 18s. .. ... ....

Why would that be a problem? As long as both are over the age limit for sex, what does it matter if one is over 18 and the other isn't, or if both are between 16 and 18 for that matter.

Technically, it would be perfectly ok for a 16 year old to have sex with someone aged 90 - regardless of it being in private or in porn.

PS: Lose the colors, or at least the ridiculous font size - it's the equivalent of yelling and it's not polite at all.

PPS: Stop assuming that everyone who disagrees with you don't have kids themselves. While I don't actively encourage my kids to watch porn, I certainly don't do the opposite either. I teach them about sex and porn and try to point out the pitfalls and what is good practice and what isn't. As long as they have those values in place they can watch porn until they go blue in the face (or elsewhere) without taking any real harm from it.

I said the red was deliberate
and why stop at 16, or 15, 14, 13, or shall we go pre-teen.
How young is too young.
Isn't it 12 in some countries?

Nezhul said he would allow his children.
to watch anything and everything.

I asked is he a parent.

[Bandit224]

Dos anyone know why the common agelimit is 18 for porn on the internet?

Because most of it is made in the US and answers to US law? Just my best guess.

Even porn produced in foreign countries has to obey US age limits, but that is mostly due to the fact that the US is a military giant and isn't afraid to use that military for the most bullshit reasons.

[bob555]

I said the red was deliberate
and why stop at 16, or 15, 14, 13, or shall we go pre-teen.
How young is too young.
Isn't it 12 in some countries?

It is 12 in some countries - Mexico (Boys only), Zimbabwe (Boys only), Vatican State (NO NOT BOYS ONLY, get your mind out of the gutters;) and U.S.A (Boys only, and only if a Travelling citizen).

Edit: And yes, I belive 12 is way to young.

Dos anyone know why the common agelimit is 18 for porn on the internet?

Because most of it is made in the US and answers to US law? Just my best guess.

Even porn produced in foreign countries has to obey US age limits, but that is mostly due to the fact that the US is a military giant and isn't afraid to use that military for the most bullshit reasons.

Yes if they want to sell the porn in the US. Else they dont.

[Bandit224]

I said the red was deliberate
and why stop at 16, or 15, 14, 13, or shall we go pre-teen.
How young is too young.
Isn't it 12 in some countries?

I asked is he a parent.

I was proposed to once by an 8-year old girl. Are you suggesting that I beat her in bold red color font and push retarded puritan views on her? That 8-year old was more mature and more developed than I am, and I'm 20 years older than her. People mature and develop at different ages, so why should some that are matured not be allowed to have sex because of some ridiculous Puritan law?
As much fun as fucking jailbait would've been, I had to sadly decline. Her parents had a new job in a new city (moving), and she really needed to be with her parents, since I can barely take care of myself.
12 is a bit too young, but people do mature at different ages.
I think it's the responsibility of the parents to govern their own children and not the government.

[les]

Map showing age of consent across Europe



Clickable link to worldwide map

[les]

Food for thought

"When I was a boy of 14, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be 21, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years." -

Another I heard was there are three ways of getting things done.

1. Do it yourself
2. Pay someone to do it
3. Tell your kids not to do it

So I agree with the arbitary limits on age as those who show an interest will seek it out and learn.

Just hand it out on a plate
That's how accidents happen.
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[janmb]

I said the red was deliberate

I know - and that is a lot worse than if it was a mere accident

and why stop at 16, or 15, 14, 13, or shall we go pre-teen.
How young is too young.

For me, the answer to that is the age of consent. Which of course is a matter of discussion in its own right - when should kids be allowed to have sex with each other....

For me, people of similar age (within 2-3 years) could be allowed to have sex all the way down to around 12 if they like. In reality, this is already so in my country. Despite having a formal limit at 16, if the two involved are of similar age (both are underage) they typically will not be punished for it in any way. Which makes sense.

If the age of consent was lowered that far though, the limit for porn would probably have to be a separate, higher limit. Although I think it's perfectly ok with 12-12 sex, 18-12 is not ok. The same goes for an 18+ watching porn with someone aged 12 - hence the limit for that would have to be higher.

The current age of consent (16) would make a sensible limit for porn acting imo[/quote]

If Nez is a parent I do not know, but I am, and I fully share his views on this matter.

[janmb]

Even porn produced in foreign countries has to obey US age limits

Not entirely true, and in either case military power has nothing to do with it.

It's perfectly sensible that each sovereign country gets to decide what is allowed within their borders and not. So if someone wants to export their porn (or any other product) to the US (which is a huge market after all), of course they have to abide by US law. Porn produced in another country, for their own population and/or to be exported to non-US countries of course do not answer to US law in any form or extent at all.

[shell]

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Yes, I think it should.
The harm that I see it brings is this. In the "old" days, boys got magazines in one form or another, looking at it alone, or in little groups. They saw these females spread out, in tempting poses. "Sally loves football and cooking wonderful meals," is what the caption said.

Those boys grew up to be men, who thought that their wives out to lay in those poses, stay very thin, and cook them meals that would make their mouths water and watch football for endless hours.
Divorce, obesity in women, and years of therapy, because the women could never live up to what the "boys" expected - a result of those harmless magazines.

This is exactly the kind of attitude I hate, the assumption that people cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Its the same reason why the BBFC in the UK will censor perfectly good films because they think the unwashed masses will be corrupted by scenes they deem unsuitable. It assumes a stupidity on the part of the viewer that I find patronizing.

Im not sure whether your 'boys with magazines' story is a purely imaginary (and sexist) situation, but assuming you actually were witness to such an event, then you too would have seen these magazines (as you remember it well enough to quote the caption beneath the images). So obviously you also grew up thinking women should lay in those poses, stay very thin, and cook men meals etc etc...
Its a shame those men (which you seem to have kept a detailed record of their progress since leaving school, including their thoughts and attitudes towards women) were not intelligent enough to see a picture and realise that it wasnt real.
I think the problems faced by women you mentioned (divorce, obesity, therapy) have their roots in lots of other places too. To say it was all caused by men looking at jazz mags is a bit simplistic.


As for whether there should be an 18+ limit on porn, its a tricky subject. I find it funny that the age of consent in the UK is 16 but you cant view porn until you are 18. So its okay to have sex, including all the risks and responsibilities associated with it at 16, but its not okay to view images of other people having sex for 2 more years. If anything, it should be the other way round.

Sorry I hit a nerve with you. *gentle smile* I think I should come with a warning label...."my opinions will most likely be very different then yours....proceed with caution* *giggle*

[denton]

Actually those good looks make you want to be like it, be fit and slim, get some muscle. As for penis/breast size and vagina looks (I hear first time about it) - it's also a responsibility of parents to make their boy understand what's the average size and that women don't even NEED 10 inch cock to be happy. And girls should understand that they are pretty no matter how big of a breasts they have, as long as they really watch after their looks (being accurate and all). There of course ARE really ugly people, or boys with 2 inch cock, or whatever, but porn won't do more harm to them than their own classmates will. They'll get the uneasiness for their flaws no matter porn or not.

The first sentence is a bit short-sighted.. of course it has that effect on some people, but I bet it does not have that effect on the majority, who will rather be frustrated. Moreover, often times the images we see are not realistically achievable, even with exercise and proper diet. Else we wouldn't need photoshop.

And of course it's also a responsibility of the parents.. that's the biggest part and also what I said in my post before making that point. Still, the influence of the media (which porn is a part of) is huge.

Labioplasty is real, btw, and there are girls as young as 14 who go to their doctor because they think their vagina looks ugly/unnormal. (Of course there are cases where such an operation is appropriate/needed, but that's beside the point)

[Human]

Mostly agreeing with what you said, porn actually helps. My hot girlfriend felt she was ugly, because she has small tits, is a redhead, and has freckles; yet, you never see anyone of that description being liked in Hollywood or in the television industry, and she also had an abusive ex-boyfriend that would put a pic of her on hotornot.com and constantly vote it at 0.
I showed her a picture of Faye Reagan, and told her that Faye probably makes over 1 million dollars a year from guys that want to pay to see her naked. Most porn sites that have a rating rate her at 4.7 out of 5. Porn taught her the exact opposite of what public television taught her; porn taught her that you don't need to have blonde hair, blue eyes, and big breasts to be loved by men. She thought it was the most wonderful thing anyone has ever said to her.

Now she wants to fuck while watching every single Faye Reagan porn in existence, and I'm a very happy man

I could also go endlessly on research that has proven porn to be helpful to society.

I have a thing for redheads

I would also suggest looking at Nikki Rhodes. She is cuter than Faye Reagan.