Claire Evans Gloryhole Vids (pg. 3) and Discussion

[Nezhul]

As for the video itself.... well, all I can say is it's very strange.

Because, really. She's got into porn busyness without expecting anyone to know she's doing it, and then she did more of it being blackmailed about revealing it to her parents. Really? I mean, isn't it kind of a dumb situation? Parents WILL KNOW eventually, especially if you keep shooting more porn. I think that's the logical idea anyone would have had. So falling for this blackmail is silly and stupid.
Also we are living in an age where every cellphone is a little recording center, so I would have just recorded the blackmail secretly. This way even if blackmailer would reveal the blackmail, I'm going to have an argument with parents, but HE is going to have cops up his ass, so I don't see him EVER going through with blackmail.

The whole blackmail situation she describes is ABSURD. Ain't it? Legally, she could nailed the producer's balls in sooo many ways I don't even know, right?

"For some reason he had all contact info of her friends"
Well DUH. It's pretty easy nowadays. Also, didn't she forsee at all that some random fan could find her of FB and just post some comments that her friends would see anyway?

All in all - that woman is rather stupid, I feel. She got what was coming to her, and I wouldn't really run around, arms in the air, crying how awful porn industry is. Because it's serious business. The way she talks about it, ANYONE could have blackmailed her for anything, and she'd fall. No one is protected from it, but she agrees to be the victim just too easily.

[davefrancis89]

That argument sounds a little too close to the 'women who wear sexy clothes should know they might get raped' argument...

Just because she was naive and easily blackmailed doesn't excuse the actions of the black mailer.

Bottom line - her youth, and lack of life experience was exploited for a fast buck and a blow job with utter disregard for the consequences for her. It is symptomatic of the widening social void in our societies; and it is terrifying.

I hope the situation does not haunt her for the rest of her life

[Nezhul]

Just because she was naive and easily blackmailed doesn't excuse the actions of the black mailer.

No it doesn't. I didn't mean it like that. What I meant is that her own lack of thought got her into this.

I don't know. When I was 18 I was pretty stupid myself, but I don't think I'd fall for a silly blackmail like that. If I decided to do porn, I would be prepared for people to know. And I wouldn't do stuff for free, or stuff I don't like doing because of fear to have an argument with my parents. I mean, what is the worst that can happen? Surely the emotional impact of shooting a scene I don't like and not getting paid for it is FAR WORSE than having a row with mom and dad who despite every stupid thing I do will still love me in the end of the day?

[servufon]

As for the video itself.... well, all I can say is it's very strange.

Because, really. She's got into porn busyness without expecting anyone to know she's doing it, and then she did more of it being blackmailed about revealing it to her parents.

i absolutely can believe this both of people of certain backgrounds and people who get themselves into a certain state of mind/belief; i totally believe it

people do all kinds of things that violate logic out of fear, pride, misplaced beliefs

i've found in my life it's easy to do something once and think you can get away with it...probably one can...so then do it again...and one third, last time, really, that's it....well now it's too late, here comes fourth through one-hundredths+ all one at a time

i'm NOT excusing dumb mistakes; i'm just saying, yeah, i surely believe; where sex is concerned i've done some AMAZINGLY stupid things despite being a person most consider quite smart in most traditional (intellectual) domains

[Nezhul]

I didn't say I don't believe it, I'm just saying I find it stupid, and that she totally could have avoided all the problems altogether, yet talks like it was really out of her control type of situation.

She's almost saying stuff like "Beware people! This is what happened to me in this vicious porn industry!". For me it sounds like "Beware people! I was running across the highway and got hit by a car! Roads are dangerous, don't ever approach them!"
Because all the bad stuff WILL happen to you if you act stupid. She seems to think the source of her problems is industry, while really it was her own head. That's what I find odd about this video. I totally disapprove blackmail and stuff, but I just can't bring myself to feel much pity for this woman.

[Banquo]

Ok, seeing as we have had a couple of complaints about this thread I thought it would be worth taking a look at it to see what was going on in here.

I will lay my cards on the table from the outset. I find the OP to be misogynistic and frankly offensive. And they seem far from the sentiment of safe sane and consensual. This girl is clearly regretful of her life choices and wants her porn to be forgotten. What is wrong with that?

Anywhere else on the internet, and I would have been minded to lock the thread and delete the links to the videos. However, that really is not in the spirit of Milovana, and I am sure Seraph0x would have wanted the discussion to have been allowed to continue.

I have removed the links, and will remove them again if they are re-posted. As I have said, they seem to break consent, and that will not be tolerated.

Now let's all keep a civil tongue and go forward from here.

[servufon]

well done @Banquo

[servufon]

I didn't say I don't believe it, I'm just saying I find it stupid, and that she totally could have avoided all the problems altogether, yet talks like it was really out of her control type of situation.

She's almost saying stuff like "Beware people! This is what happened to me in this vicious porn industry!". For me it sounds like "Beware people! I was running across the highway and got hit by a car! Roads are dangerous, don't ever approach them!"
Because all the bad stuff WILL happen to you if you act stupid. She seems to think the source of her problems is industry, while really it was her own head. That's what I find odd about this video. I totally disapprove blackmail and stuff, but I just can't bring myself to feel much pity for this woman.

there's a good chance that to her, emotionally, it was a "really out of her control type situation" someone exploited - even if the exploitation was of a combination of her stupidity and/or ignorance, fear, and sexually-related stress, or some-such; adding emotionally heavy components to people's preexisting ignorance is the trick of knowledgeable and skilled predators

whether i can "feel much pity" either way is no doubt related to circumstances there's no way i can know much about; whether her side of the story holds a truth of sinister exploitation and/or fundamental sole mistakes on her part, i don't know, and i contend nobody else does, either, except her and a few other people

she might be deserving of a ton of pity if someone knowingly exploited emotional and intellectual weaknesses of her's; she might be deserving of outright scorn and contempt if she knowingly made a mistake and now wishes to savage others' reputations to save hers; this could be either extreme, especially in the world of sex, even as it's likely somewhere in the middle

the core notion of "you started this and now i'm going to tell your parents if you don't stop" i find utterly believable, and i find it utterly believable many parents will never find out on their own about offspring in the porn industry unless someone goes out of their way to tell them; beyond finding it extremely believable, i have no clue whether it happened in this situation or something completely different than described happen or whether in this situation it was/is believable (especially so because i'm not going to bother to research her background and find out her parents' socioeconomic and cultural circumstances to surmise the likelihood of believability, though if one is going to do that work and do it well then i'd be interested to read their findings)

[mmc1992]

The 'New' first post claims the 'previous' first post was just a 'smart ass post'.

Misogyny is never just being a 'smart ass', it's misogyny.

For the record, yes, I would care if it was a man. Because I'm a decent human.

[servufon]

Took out the post cause of course the knights in shining armor had to come to the rescue and defend a poor little porn girl.

It remains unclear why you edited/"took out" the post. Your content was preserved, only the links were edited out. Your original argument and free speech were preserved.

Did they watch the videos of her exxclaiming how she LOVES cock and cum? How she went totally over board about how she loved what she was doing? How she bashed people who watch and make porn?

The mod's and others' point is this is irrelevant. If you wish to establish relevance, you should first address the point made by the mod.

You know if this was a man nobody would b defending the person.

Perhaps. If so, that would be wrong: two wrongs do not make a right. However, your point remains entirely a strawman as it's not what has happened and the argument is rather irrelevant.

So basically any porn star who later says she did not enjoy her pon scenes canot be linked to on here. So any porn link put on here better be researched to find out what the porn star thought afterwards.

That was not the mod's point. I suggest you reread it.

I put a smart ass post on here that I thought people would find intersting, funny, or that people would enjoy the porn videos.

Well, it sounded to me like an angry rant. I certainly had no idea your purpose was to be "intersting [sic], funny," or for "people" to "enjoy the porn videos." Based on reactions, clearly I was not the only person who misinterpreted your intent. That suggests there's a good reason to attempt for us to better communicate.

No, I did not think that it would keep her porn carrer alive. Do u think this post would effect her life in any way? Grow up people.

You say "grow up" after posting a seemingly humorless rant encouraging others to keep her career alive by broadly posting her materials. At the least, you have no room to shout at others to "grow up," and I'd rather suggest that if you feel you were so misinterpreted then let's go back to the drawing board and discuss what you actually intend and what you'd like to see happen.

ps The whole young and doesn't she get a chance to change her mind afterward shit is fucked up. This is the problem w/ people. I was young too and didn't do anything wrong like most of the people I know. Being young is no excuse. It's only an excuse, period. People hide behind it like a shield. U do wrong, u pay, bottom line. More wrong more pay. Their r so many people in this world who never did anything wrong and do they get any attention?

I think most people are arguing for compassion and giving a second chance, or at least that's what I'd like to see. That's got nothing to do with an "excuse." Most of us seem to have no opinion either way on the charges of blackmail, probably because most of us simply aren't so concerned with this situation to make it our priority to go research, among the many wrongs to right in our own lives let alone those in the public domain with which we concern ourselves.

It is unclear which was your point or what is your point. Is it that because she at one time publicly expressed enjoyment of porn it follows she must have told the truth then and must be lying now? And because she's lying she should be shunned or otherwise socially punished (which is not necessarily unfair if one accepts the premise of lying, particularly if it is sullying others' reputations)? Or is it that because you believe she's lying she should be brought back into the porn industry at least by lack of other commercial opportunity? Or is it something else entirely?

Please understand throughout your presentation the only "evidence" you cite are public declarations she claimed she liked porn. I'd suggest that's hardly evidence at all - it's no more evidence than claims by her about being blackmailed assuming they are unsubstantiated otherwise. I would suggest most porn stars will make the claim of enjoying their job even if not true regardless of whether they are blackmailed into the industry or simply no longer content to be in the industry or simply having a bad day and have to lie about liking their job - just like any public entertainer. Or they may make the claim out of absolute truth. But as with any entertainer, I don't think we have any special knowledge because somebody says something on camera. If you wish to make the case she's unfairly sullying the reputations of others, you need to present something other than what you've presented so far - and you should present it in a more objective fashion so that it doesn't seem you just are angry a favorite porn star dares not to continue to play the role they have been playing and you happen to like.

[jackstock]

This forum is based almost entirely on worshipping, appreciating, and respecting women as much as possible.
You came to the wrong place for this.
But The OP should not have been removed. This is the freedom to experience. I found the post entertaining. But the replies are very fearful and insulting. The only person who could be hurt by this OP is cockman himself. Its not like he is going to sway anyone into his belief.

[Nezhul]

Did they watch the videos of her exxclaiming how she LOVES cock and cum?

No I didn't. Do I need to? No. Because whatever is on those videos doesn't make a difference. Porn is acting. Stalone kills a lot of people in his videos, I don't run around yelling he's a murderer.

You know if this was a man nobody would b defending the person.

Yea, right. Keep living in your wicked world pal. Funnily enough, people would care either way.

Sad to see how people r still branwashed towards defending females.

You know what's really sad to see? How people are brainwashed towards equality of sexes, and treating both genders equally, and so on and so forth. Because it's just WRONG. Genders are different, have different needs and strengths both emotionally and physically. There's no reason for equal treatment except for some sick orthodox feminists opinions who are a minority anyway.

So basically any porn star who later says she did not enjoy her pon scenes canot be linked to on here. So any porn link put on here better be researched to find out what the porn star thought afterwards.

There's a difference between the site knowing about it or not. The site should not go as far as researching every piece of content. But should it became aware of the rightowner's feelings to remove it, it may choose so.
Also, It's not a matter of legal, it is the matter of personal opinion of the mods. You don't like how the problem was handled by administration? Well, make a claim, and maybe Banquo will be stripped from his mod rights and your links be restored. Fat chance though.

I put a smart ass post on here that I thought people would find intersting, funny

O-ho-ho-ho.... Funny? You think someone would enjoy you degrading someone else and laughing off her opinions, going as far as to do anything in your power to keep her from achieving her goal of putting her life straighter? And you thought this is funny?! Are you sure you are not a man who puts kittens in a microwave oven and laughs? Because you damn well seem like one.

Do u think this post would effect her life in any way?

No. Because if I did, I would do something other than writing posts on forums. But that's not the point. The point is I don't like you, and I like discussing this.

ps

Nothing is ever an excuse. It's always JUST and excuse, as you put it. But so is your post. It can be excused even less then her actions, and excuses you make. You didn't even reply to one post here, because you simply don't have arguments.

[Banquo]

I'm remiss to get drawn back into this debate, however, it once again requires my attention.

Took out the post cause of course the knights in shining armor had to come to the rescue and defend a poor little porn girl. Did they watch the videos of her exxclaiming how she LOVES cock and cum? How she went totally over board about how she loved what she was doing? How she bashed people who watch and make porn?

You know if this was a man nobody would b defending the person. Sad to see how people r still branwashed towards defending females. Actually it's an insult to them cause they want to be treated like equals and u r defending tthem cause they r too weak to defend tthemselves in your mind.

Posted links to porn on here, like everyone does. Mine get removed. So basically any porn star who later says she did not enjoy her pon scenes canot be linked to on here. So any porn link put on here better be researched to find out what the porn star thought afterwards.

I put a smart ass post on here that I thought people would find intersting, funny, or that people would enjoy the porn videos. No, I did not think that it would keep her porn carrer alive. Do u think this post would effect her life in any way? Grow up people.

ps The whole young and doesn't she get a chance to change her mind afterward shit is fucked up. This is the problem w/ people. I was young too and didn't do anything wrong like most of the people I know. Being young is no excuse. It's only an excuse, period. People hide behind it like a shield. U do wrong, u pay, bottom line. More wrong more pay. Their r so many people in this world who never did anything wrong and do they get any attention?

I'm not sure why you felt the need to edit your opening post. It was only the links that were removed, yes you made a smart ass post. But it was your post, and your freedom of speech was not affected. The links were removed as they clearly broke the terms of service. If you want to look it's here under section 5C. While it's unclear whether Claire Evans would ever see your post, that is really besides the point. Milovana is not a vehicle for you to harass people.

As for your points about her exclaiming she loves cock, well I guess you need to consider the difference between acting and real life, as has been pointed out. Stallone isn't a mass murderer, and Schwarzenegger isn't really Danny DeVito's twin is he?

You say you thought people would find your post interesting, clearly people have, it's given birth to a fairly reasoned debate.

You say that if people do something wrong, they shouldn't hide behind a shield, I would ask what you think Claire Evans has actually done wrong?

You also make the point that if this were a man no one would be sticking up for him, I have to say I don't think that is true. I certainly wouldn't stand by and watch anyone get harassed in this way. However, I don't think that if this were a man you would be attacking him with such venom. And that's before we get into the discussion of whether it would be as much of a societal problem for a man in the first place. Women who film porn are often branded as "whores" guys who do it, are often just considered "Lucky studs" *shrugs* but that's a whole different debate.

And just to be clear, this porn was posted in the knowledge that it was breaking consent, and with the express purpose of breaking consent and harassing the actress. 99% of the porn posted on here is done so innocently and for the purposes of entertainment. When they are found to contain material that breaks the Terms of Service, for example if a model is underage, they are removed.

This forum is based almost entirely on worshipping, appreciating, and respecting women as much as possible.
You came to the wrong place for this.
But The OP should not have been removed. This is the freedom to experience. I found the post entertaining. But the replies are very fearful and insulting. The only person who could be hurt by this OP is cockman himself. Its not like he is going to sway anyone into his belief.

I don't find that to be true in the slightest. We are all hurt by this kind of negative "slut shaming" misogynistic post.

You are right, the original post should not have been removed, and I am disappointed that Cockman chose to do that. But I stand by my decision to remove the links. It was clear that they were designed not to link to some "nice porn" but to break the consent of someone. In fact in the youtube video the actress specifically says she was blackmailed to perform on many occasions. There's no two ways about that, it's rape.

[jstwolf]

It's one thing to enjoy porn. It's ok to have an interest in those rare porns from those that decide they don't like it and get out. But cockman has taken this personal quest of his all the way to some sort of self righteous asshole level that is hard to even comprehend. I mean being a total dick about it. It is almost like a hateful ex-boyfriend losing all reason in his quest to make her suffer. Claiming that her ability to read a script and do what she is told is some kind proof that his pathetic crusade is worthwhile? What a jerk, and get a life.

[Coder]

"I would ask what you think Claire Evans has actually done wrong?"

It appears to me she's giving an account of her 'career' that seems to be more an abandonment of her responsibility than reality, and has been attacking porn (and its' viewers) in general in an attempt to get back in with the sort of people who'd think most less* of her for doing porn.

Someone up thread said this was 4chanesque, they're dead right. There's a legitimate grievance at the heart of it, but it's presented so very badly & such an overreaction as to encourage everyone to take the side of the "wrongdoer" rather than the angry. That's such a thing these days that people getting in trouble go and pick fights with /b in order to garner defenders.

Like most of those topics, it's not such a big thing, best to just forget about it. Some bint has found religion & started bashing porn & making dodgy allegations for peer-pressure reasons, yeah it sucks, but it's also human nature, pretty much the same sort of stuff that happens a million times a day on all topics all over the world, it's no big thing. On the other hand, it's understandable that cockman wouldn't like it (does anyone), yeah he's overreacting and being a bit of a dick, but that's an even smaller thing as he clearly feels she deserves it. Let it be IMO.

Have to disagree with this though
"this porn was posted in the knowledge that it was breaking consent"

She was in porn, they aren't leaked private pics...she was a porn star, you can't retroactively revoke your consent.

Anyways, quite far off topic for the video section of a t&d forum. Let's chill out & go back to masturbating, 'tis more productive.

*Yep, 'most less', deal with it

EDIT: Also, good moderating that man.